Host Marty Gibson talks to Peter Williams and Ani O’Brien about legacy media's apparent new role, fighting rear guard actions against anyone questioning vaccines or opposing sexualised shows for children, or wanting phase two of the Covid inquiry. They ponder why the coalition government didn’t enforce the requirements for RNZ and TVNZ to at least make an effort to present balanced news stories. They also explore the NZ Herald’s owner's plans for a fresh start and Jeff Bezos' plans to recalibrate the Washington post to fit in with Donald Trump’s restoration.

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