Rodney Hide and Hobson's Pledge founder, Don Brash discuss co-governance in New Zealand, focusing on its implications and current political debates. Dr. Brash shares his concerns about the direction of government policy, particularly regarding the Treaty of Waitangi and its interpretation, and expresses disappointment with the progress made by the current coalition. They also touch on the influence of Māori culture in various institutions and the challenges faced in achieving equal treatment for all New Zealanders, with a bit of personal anecdotes and political speculation thrown in for good measure!

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