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Simon O’Connor is joined by Steph Martin—wearing two hats as a Free Speech Union stakeholder manager and adjunct fellow at the New Zealand Initiative—to unpack the Education and Training Amendment Bill 2025. They delve into growing concerns over academic freedom in New Zealand universities, institutional neutrality, and the mounting influence of ideology over open inquiry. With personal examples, sobering statistics, and references to landmark events like the Listener Seven controversy, the discussion explores how universities are struggling to remain bastions of free thought and critical debate. From threats to robust student learning, to the professional implications across medicine, law, and education, this candid dialogue argues the stakes are far higher than most Kiwis realise.

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