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Former ambassador and current Chair of the New Zealand China Council, John McKinnon, offers a candid and insightful look at New Zealand’s evolving relationship with China. From reflections on his time in Beijing to navigating the ripple effects of the US-China trade war, McKinnon shares the nuances of diplomacy, trade opportunities in milk and kiwifruit, and the challenges of balancing geopolitical dynamics. With global influence shifting and China's presence growing, this is a must-listen for anyone curious about how New Zealand carves its path in a rapidly changing world.

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