Shane Jones, Minister for Oceans and Fisheries, has a candid chat with Paul Brennan about Pacific fishing zones and economic development. Jones reveals a $100M boost for Pacific fisheries and celebrates recent wins loosening restrictions in Tasman waters. Plus a potential $7-16B plan to revive Marsden Point refinery and create special economic zones. He finishes with a surprising take on Trump's impact, admitting he was “gobsmacked by the pace of change.”

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