Don and Rodney discussed the current state of politics in the United States and New Zealand, focusing on the leadership of Donald Trump, the 2020 US election, and the issue of immigration. They also discussed the concept of equality in the context of democracy, the political climate in New Zealand, and the challenges faced in the country, particularly in relation to free speech and the Treaty Principles Bill. The conversation concluded with a discussion on Waitangi Day and the book “One People, One Sky” by Stephen McQueen.