This week on Real People, our regular panel of a psychiatrist, an ex- psychologist and host Gerry a psychotherapist ponder the question ‘What are we really dealing with in these challenging times?'

Can we really blame, let alone punish those who have been asleep and so contributed dangerously to what has been happening these last three years – and even longer? What is justice? How do we find closure? Or do we just pretend (like so many are doing) that ‘nothing really happened' whilst all around us people are getting sick and dying? Hear about the nudge units pushing us into division and discord, about our human need for justice and whether or not the real battle is a spiritual one